Lisa's PSA

Lisa the Temp:
Remember, peeps, while the Soxaholix are on vacation, that masshole Dog Roy continues to Tweet.

 

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Comments

[birthofasoxfan97]

I had a dream that my 20-year divorced parents got back together and finally renovated the crummy guest bathroom. That's pretty obvious symbolism for Manny and the ownership patching it up. Neither is likely to happen in this lifetime. I'm a sad little child.

[louclinton]

this team is too good to be wearing a shit hat for much longer. it's always darkest before the dawn, semper fi, and whatnot.

in other words, i got nothing, and am proud of it.

lc

[yazbread]

Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't. And Manny is no devil. I see him more as a mischievous pixie. With two option years and a fairly high probability that his production will not drop off dramatically, I want Manny on the team. What is so wrong that the Sox are willing to bail on a flag-waving, scoreboard pissing, fan high-fiving future Hall-of-Famer. If you want a team without colorful characters, go root for the Dodgers, or Braves, or ...

[birthofasoxfan97]

Yazbread = my hero.

Here's my final thought for today on the whole thing, like anyone gives a rat's: Manny just wants to be truly and personally loved and appreciated by top management.

That's about as naive as me expecting that the CEO of my company will not only directly appreciate my work output, but will also put me on the "never to be laid off" list, because I'm just that good and cute to boot. But I think that's where he's at.

OK, I'm done until 4pm.

[Professional Hitter]

I'm with lc. Did we give up when the Germans invaded Pearl Harbor? No!
I'd much rather this team take its dump in late July than in late September. Let the cards fall where they may - if the trade happens, I think it will energize the team and pull them out of this funk. If it doesn't happen, what's to say that Manny doesn't emerge from the dugout into the on-deck circle tomorrow and slap a RBI single like he did in 05, and everyone is all smiles, rainbows and unicorns again.
The MFYs are sustaining on Centrum Silver, and the Rays are still taking Flintstones chewables. That made a lot more sense in my head, but I think the point is made. Three games back is not a horrendous place to be. The sun will come out, tomorrow...

[Scott]

So much for the homefield advantage. They suck. They might get better, but they blow dead goats right now.

[Billy Mahty]

sonomasox (and Bob) - I've been meaning to comment on this for a couple days but haven't had the time. Connecticut Yankee is a decent bar, and certainly could feel like home for a Boston fan, but there's really nothing else in that neighborhood to see (unless you're familiar with the rock clubs, or if you know where to go up the hill). If you're coming to San Francisco, don't go out to Potrero Hill unless you've got friends taking you around -- there's too much great stuff going on in other neighborhoods.

Here are a few suggestions:

There's R Bar near Polk & Sutter (word is 'our' bar's double entendre meaning is it's a Red Sox bar).

The Phoenix on Valencia is a good Irish sports bar.

Greens on Polk near the Marina is a great sports bar that shows any baseball game on tv.

I understand that the Conn Yankee is the only true Boston bar in S.F., but I really wouldn't waste my time going to the edge of the city. See S.F., not a reminder of the Northeast!

[joefreak]

... I go back to 1950 (age 3) when my mom used to put me in my stroller and we'd go over to a friend of hers and watch the Sox (and sometimes the Braves) on TV -- almost every day there was a game in the afternoon on TV. I suffered through the horrible 50's and 60's (though the $1 bleacher seats were great especially for Sunday doubleheaders).

These are truly tough times, though,with the Sox, Giants and A's all sucking big time at once. I don't envy hb taking some time off!

Joe

[yazbread]

Rumors seem to be that the Manny deal is dead.

[sonomasox]

BM - Agree - nothing much else around the CT Yankee & I'm w/ you re: the R Bar. Used to be one of the regular stops. Greens was a little too much - Marina scene. Never hit Phoenix. Didn't think Bob had much time to visit the sites so a trip past the meth clinic on Pot.Hill would be fun.

[Kaz]

Peter Gammons reports Manny was NOT traded to the Marlins…and likely not anywhere else. Oh boy…

That's the long and clever, er short, of it.

[Kaz]

Someone lied to Gammo:

Manny to the Dodgers, Jason Bay to the Red Sox.

So sayeth SI.

[Jeffrey]

Heard that to Kaz

[COD]

Extra Bases is reporting that Manny is a Dodger and Jason Bay is a Red Sox. No details though...

[Kaz]

Pega luna, Manny.

Hasta luego, buen amigo.

[yazbread]

What a downer. Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.

[Kaz]

I want to know what the Dodgers are putting up in this trade, because I just read from Cafardo that we're also giving up Hansen and Moss to keep Pittsburgh happy.

Damnit, I'm not going to pay a lot for this muffler!!

Was Theo sleeping on the job? We better be getting a hell of a lot more than just Jason Bay out of this.

[birthofasoxfan97]

I'm going to don my official #24 jersey and a black veil for tonights cocktails.

[daubie]

i agree, kaz. if this is the trade, it really sucks

[Scott]

Since when did Pittsburgh get an MLB team??

If they gave up 3 for 1 I am all for rioting and overthrowing King Theo. You have to be kidding me?? They are not wining this season anyway. Just ride it out and pick up a replacement in the offseason. WTF??

[yazbread]

Looks like Theo got his pants pulled down.

[byebyemanny]

Manny traded to Dodgers

Left fielder Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers as part of the three-team deal that will send Pirates outfielder Jason Bay to the Red Sox, the Globe’s Gordon Edes and Nick Cafardo are reporting.

The Red Sox will also lose Craig Hansen and Brandon Moss as part of the deal. Here are the names involved:

To Red Sox
Jason Bay

To Dodgers
Manny Ramirez

To Pirates
Craig Hansen (from Red Sox)
Brandon Moss (from Red Sox)
Andy LaRoche (from Dodgers)
Bryan Morris (from Dodgers)

SI.com reported that the Red Sox got the OK from Ramirez, who would have had the rights to veto any deal. From SI.com: "He signed off on the paperwork, contingent upon the two $20-million team options for 2009 and '10 being dropped. The move will set the stage for Ramirez to become a free agent this winter."

[birthofasoxfan97]

Everyone at NESN and the Globe has been calling for his head for the last two days and now they are moaning and reminiscing.

Jason Bay looks boring as frick. I'm sure we'll all come to know and love him, blah blah blah.

[Kaz]

Ok, Pittsburgh gives up Bay and gets Hansen, Moss, Andy LaRoche (3B, IF), and Bryan Morris (Single A Pitcher, didn't even rate 3 stars by BP for Dodgers prospects Feb '08).

Dodgers give up LaRoche and Morris and get Manny.

We give up Manny, Moss, and Hansen and get Bay in return.

Wow. This can't possibly be the end of this deal can it? Can it?? Please tell me there's more to this story...

[daubie]

THIS REALLY SUCKS.

[sonomasox]

somewhere Matt Kemp is part of this deal right?? He's coming to the Sox...it'll just come out later. Right?
Right? Bueller? Please.

[natalie]

Who the fuck is Jason Bay?

[fernsco]

Manny would have quit on them rest of the year and then walked so we would have gotten NOTHING in return. Hansen is no loss, now Moss is a different story. He will do well like David Murphy has for Texas. Sorry to see the Manny of old go, but the Manny of the past few weeks....glad to have that cancer gone. The team can now concentrate on winning games again.

[fernsco]

Natalie,
You'll come around to liking Jason Bay. He plays hard and hits with power. He may not have V-teks thighs for your viewing pleasure, but he'll give us 110%.

[da'beads]

hb picked a heck of a week to be on vacation...!

[Kaz]

You don't know Jason Bay? He's clearly the best hitting LF in the history of the sport. I mean we wouldn't give up the best hitting LF in the MLB today if we weren't getting something equal or slightly better in return, right?

Geez, Natalie, get on your game, girl. "Who the fuck is Jason Bay?" Where have you been hiding to not have heard of Jason Bay?

Oh, and to Jason Bay, if you're reading this: You've got some motherfuckin' size 20, Sideshow Bob and Krusty the Clown rolled into one-sized shoes to fill, Boy. We didn't even get a goddamned relief pitcher out of this deal, just your Canadian-via-Pittsburgh ass. Good luck, I'm sure you'll do just fine.

[fernsco]

Kaz, I thought Gabrow was supposed to be in the deal too, but the front office had no choice but to move Manny so the team could get back on concentrating on winning. They could not do that not knowing if Manny "decided" to play each day and then not run out grounders. Like I said earlier, hate to see us lose a guy like Manny, but it was time. We bitched when Nomar left town a couple of years ago and look what happened? Worse part of the trade was losing Brandon Moss in my mind.

[Natalie]

What's the National League?

Kaz, I was a little trying to be cute. I have heard of him but was exaggerating to make the point that it isn't exactly the big name you'd expect to get for trading Manny (and hanson and moss) for only one player. Guess we really wanted him gone.

[sonomasox]

I don't think Man-Ram would have given up - this IS his contract year and wants $100mill/4yrs. He would have cranked it up over the last 8 weeks.

Either way, I feel like I just gave my paycheck to some random guy at Cumbie's to buy me a case of beer, never to see him again. (circa 1987)

[agman2]

Bay will be under contract through 2009. To me its a good deal. Hansen is a space cadet. Moss is good but expendable. I look at it this way. Keeping Manny was no longer possible. He would have dragged the team through all kinds of crap the rest of the way. This was the only chance to salvage the season. Not sure if the Sox will make the playoffs but at least we don't need to listen to him or the pupet master Scott Boras any more this season.

[soxdownunder]

worst...trade...evah

depressed downunder

[Kaz]

Sorry, fernsco, but name 1 game that Manny cost us since the All-Star break due to "not running out grounders" or "deciding not to play" and I'll name you 2 where he hit the game winning RBIs.

You've bought into the front office kool-aid. Once we pass the trade deadline, it doesn't benefit Manny in any way to act out. He knows we weren't going to pick up the option for 2009 and he'll want to show off offensively to get top dollar on any FA deal in the offseason. Also, if you think that the team hit only 9 runs against Anaheim because they were thinking about Manny's press for the past week, then you are only fooling yourself.

[Kaz]

It's ok, Nat. I was trying to be funny too, but I don't think I pulled it off...I was too bitter and angry when I wrote it.

[soxdownunder]

Angels get Texiera
New York (AL) get Pudge
We lose Manny.

WTF - tea for two, anyone?

[fernsco]

Kaz, the cost us the games he did not play and who knows how many games he cost us during this down streak with his teammates being distracted. I go back to what I said before, we were all screaming for Theo's head after the Nomar trade too. Lets revisit in a few weeks. Yes, Manny will do great for the Dodgers, but I don't believe he would have done the same for us.

[Natalie]

Ah that's what I get for reading and posting while driving. I only registered the first line of Kaz's post. 93 south is a parking lot and talk radio is burning up the airwaves.hey, this could be 2008 nomar trade. I am willing to try to see the silver lining.

[tessie]

I'm with you there Natalie. Let's get this new era started.

[Kaz]

I'm praying in a room in the basement of Fenway right now, Theo is on the phone to L.A. yelling, "I swear to all that is holy, I told you Hong-Chih Kuo was included in this deal!!"

[yazbread]

Wonder what hat he'll wear into the HOF.

[birthofasoxfan97]

Good point, SDU. This looks painful anyway, but when you remember the trades other teams were able to pull off, it doubly sucks. I was so looking forward to the mfy struggling the rest of the season with "One of the Catching Molina brothers." (how many times have you heard morgan/miller crank that one out?)

[NolaSox]

Perhaps one day we'll be sporting Kintees Baystate shirts and worshipping Theo again, but right now this hurts.

[StoweBoy]

I will miss Manny and losing him and Hansen/Moss and only getting Bay in return sucks - on paper.

But I take Schill's words at face value. I think we have no idea how much Manny's new state of mind and erratic behavior - brought on by fact that it was clear Sox would not even think of giving him and BORAS a new four-year contract - was impacting the rest of the club, including their performance on the field. Read Schill's comments from the radio this morning. Manny's kind of behavior brings a clubhouse down, makes others wonder why they are busting their ass and their bodies every day when someone else - getting paid more - is not giving 100%, and adds nothing beyond his individual #s.

I think the Sox have the best talent in the game. I think removing Manny from the equation, even if Bay does not put up Manny's #s, will make these guys even better. Now they are a TEAM.

"Let's get this new era started" . . . I second that emotion.

[paddy24]

This is bad for the Dodgers. Manny plays a great LF at Fenway Park, but Chavez Ravine could not be any different - it's huge. At this stage of his career, Manny relies on going the other way. He won't reach the RF seats in L.A. (not that it's any easier in Boston). I was thinking Baltimore, Cincy or especially Philadelphia would be beneficial for his career. In fact, Philly would have made out like bandits had they gotten involved. I like this deal. Bay is not yet 30. I'll take a guy with comparable stats that is six years younger and makes way less money. This clears money to enable Theo to go after Vlad or another star. As great as Manny looked in the post-season last year, he had a poor regular season and has followed it up with a sub-par 2008. BTW, the N.L. pitching staffs throw zero off-speed stuff. Manny will have a tough time of it over there (the exception as I said, would have been Philly or Cincy - where he could have simply extended his arms to rip it the other way into the bleachers). I don't see any opportunities for him at Cavez Ravine other than driving the ball up the middle for singles. The silly tossing of the batting helmet while on the base paths during close plays in the play-offs last year was pretty annoying. I held my breath because he simply wasn't making outs. This year, the OBP is there, but he sits out many games, so it's inflated. This move hurts the Sox this year but helps in the long run. Bay might be helped by all the protection in the lineup he'll be receiving. I agree with the "space cadet" appraisal of Hansen. I like the move for no other reason that we'll never see him throw another pitch for us again. Moss? Whatever. If we would just sign Bonds...BTW, Thanks Manny, for helping the Sox win two World Championships. You were one of the greatest free agent signings of all time. And thank you, Dan Duquette.

[vermonter]

Good trade or bad, there goes the RS personality. I'm gonna miss Manny...ESPECIALLY when he was Manny. He gave us lots of good things to yak about on Mondays.

It's a new era.

[vancouversoxfan]

Maybe I'm biased because Bay is a BC boy (British Columbian, not Bostob College)but I think he will be just fine. I was always a Manny fan but what are you going to do when he and Bor-a$$ play their cards so that bridges are burning and the is no where to go but out of town...Theo's problem is tha same as for any GM trying to trade a "legend" or superstar. It is extremely difficult to get anything equal to him back in return. I'm in the camp that says Hansen is a never-will-be (at least for Boston) and I agree with paddy 24 when he says "whatever" for Moss. We needed a power bat to protect Ortiz and BAy will give you a !00% every single at bat and in the field. He's gonna be just fine.

Proud Redsox fan since 1967 (9 years old) listening on a transister radio to my first world series.