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Steve:
Sorta like being hungry side the road but only having a turnip in your coat pocket.

 


Steve:
Well, neither did the sudden trade of Bard, so who knows …

 

Mike:
Back to Gammons statement on EEI, he thinks the Damon booing was a historic injustice, but booing Pedro or Clemens has merit?

 

Steve:
You know, I totally agree with Gammo that yelling obscenities in front of children doesn't have a place in any ballpark in any situation, but one thing I think Gammons and everyone else is missing as they attempt intellectualize the debate by trying to apply logic to why people boo or when it's "deserved" or not is this: Booing is fun.

 

Mike:
Absolutely. It's not only every bit as fun as cheering and the natural yin to balance the fan yang, booing is also democratic.

 

Steve:
Yeah, Gammons and Torre and the rest doing all that hand wringing over Damon's reception in the Fens is very similar to when the chattering classes get all pissy when people go out and vote "incorrectly." on ballot initiatives.

 

Mike:
As fans, we can't control what happens on the field of play. We can't pencil in the rostah. We can't sign or trade playahs. But damnit, one thing we have powah ovah is whethah we choose to cheer or boo or do neithah.

 

Steve:
Right, and trying to manage that behavior is not only futile, it goes against our core beliefs regarding the inalienable right to voice our opinion.

 

Comments

I think all the writers and commentators (and a certain manager) whining about the "injustice" of booing Damon forget one thing: sports - and sports fans - are inherently IRRATIONAL. If somewhere in the universe there's another civilization, and they were suddenly dropped into Fenway, those creatures would be shaking their heads in amazement. These guys swinging sticks get paid millions of your do-lars? And these thousands of people pay lots of do-lars to see them swing said sticks? And if the team loses, those people feel badly for at least one full cycle around your hot orb? You hoo-mans are what we call "zerfluk."

Sports aren't rational, sports fans are certifiably crazy, and the Yankees suck. Why can't these over-analyzing scribes add it all up and see the answer equals: boo former hero who's now on ancient rival, cheer backup catcher?

Brilliantly stated strip. Damon had a choice in this matter and he chose to shit on the Boston fans for extra millions. Money is a strong force, no doubt. Is it worth more than the adoration he so desperately needs? Apparently it is. That is the crux of the issue. Extra Millions vs. Loyalty and Respect. Selling Your Soul vs. Doing the Righteous Thing. He chose unwisely. No matter how you wrap it, a butt nugget is a butt nugget.

Another thing that everyone seems to forget about this booing thing is that when you boo a guy, it's not saying "I hate you and always will", it's saying "I don't like what's going on, you are responsible, and I want you to know about it". Several folks on this site said they'd probably cheer Damon when he retires, but they'd boo the bejesus out of him as long as he's playing for the Yankees. Damon saying that it was "real fans" that were cheering him just made me want to kick him in the head.

Yeah, and how is that Damon or any other player for that matter, can presume to know what is going on inside any given fan's head?

Aren't all these guys always chastising us with talk of "You don't know what it's like to be on this side actually playing the game?"

Well, that goes both way. A baseball player can be a "fan" of something else, say football or Nascar or whatever, but a on any given team cannot know what it is like to be a fan of that team.

And for any 100 fans booing, they all may sound the same, but they all could very well have their own unique reasons for the desire to boo any given player.

For instance, if I chose to boo Damon, it wouldn't be because of the money or the traitor thing, but would have been for all of his yapping during 2005 about how he's God's gift to us and was the single-handed reason why the team won the WS. And then, add to that, all of the crap streaming out of his piehole after going to the Yankees.

But that's just me. Others have their own reasons.

Good call there H.B. on the post trade yapping by JD. I still like JD the person the player or whatever, but I don't like Johnny Damon, the yankee. I think if Damon had just gone to the enemy and shut up about it, the booing would not have been as bad. I can deal with the fact he followed the money, it happens all the time, look at Adam Vinatieri. It was all Johnny's talk after the fact that started to get under my skin.

My wife mentioned that she saw JD on the Martha Stewart show recently. Must be part of the grand plan to rehabilitate his image. It's not working. My wife's comment was something along the lines of "I always knew he was ugly, but I had no idea he was so dumb. He sounds like he never finished junior high school."

Apparently he was trying to talk to some kids about staying in school etc. and Martha had to basically take over because he couldn't speak in complete sentences.

Not that I wouldn't get flustered in the presence of a hardened criminal recently out of the pen either...

Nice Clash reference, h.b.

I'll add my voice to the chorus and say that in a world where guys switch teams solely due to dollar amounts, the people who pay (or previously paid) their salary have every right to express whatever sentiment they like. It has nothing to do with class or whatever. I love Gammo to death but he has this idea in his head that baseball in the 21st century remotely resembles baseball of the 20th or 19th - guys coming up with a particular team and sticking with them for most if not all of their careers. It just doesn't work that way. We, as baseball fans, and they, as baseball players, are accustomed to that reality. Which is why its disingenuous to suggest that fans should have loyalty to players who do not. Damon says he loves Boston and wanted to stay and blah blah blah, but actions trump words, and his actions said "I want more money, I don't care where I play." The fans understand that, and as two-faced as it may be, I think most would be fine with it. Fans can respect, if not like, a guy who says "I had a great time here but it's time for me to move on." What they can't stand is the guy who leaves for greener pastures and then blames management for forcing him out.

To me, the whole boo-gate controversy can be summarized as follows: When you become a member of the media, you are no longer a fan. You do not watch, experience, think about or perceive the game the same way as a fan. The media's (including the pseudomedia BDD)inability to understand Monday night is a direct result of the fact that they are the media, and they are not fans.

If JD hadn't said that he would never sign with the Yankees blah blah blah I really wouldn't care that he did. It's the hypocrisy that drives me nuts. Athletes, entertainers, and politicians, all seem to believe they live in some bizarro world where there are absolutely no consequences to acting contrary to what you have already said.

That's exactly why I'd boo him, for his mouth. Not only for all the rubbish about never becoming a Yankee, its not about the money, etc. etc., but he touted himself as the anti-Yankee, with the long hair, clubhouse antics, the idiot stuff. Then he left to essentially become the anti-Red Sox, starting with the highly publicized haircut. So why is it so difficult for him (or Joe Torre) not to get that?

I would've booed had I been there, for sure. Not that going to the Yanks from the Sox ain't bad enough, JD claimed he wouldn't - So, to a lifelong RS fan with a passion to dislike the Yanks this is not unlike being lied to and cheated on, and then being expected to cheer your ex and new lover when you see them together. I say Boo.

Let us not forget that "fan" is short for "fanatic". Intense uncritical devotion and excessive enthusiasm...and then it's ripped away over *money* to play for the ones that we were devoted *against*.

That's inexcusable.

It's like a sign from God telling all of the Christians that maybe his friend Muhammed might be right after all and you should all convert to Islam...and we find out this divine proclamation is just so his son, Jesus, could have 72 virgins.

Excellent strip (a 2-fer today? Looking forward to some post-work Cinco de Mayo celebrations, h.b.?) and comments today. Whoever made the comment that sports "celebrities" (of people like Damon, A-Rod, etc. seem to be - they want to the spotlight to be ON THEM and not the team) live in a bizarro world where they feel their actions will be universally loved and respected by all don't fuggin' get it. As we have become a culture of celebrity where news items about overhyped garbage like Tom Cruise seem to pop up at least once a week, I feel most of us normal Joes and Janes are getting sick of these people, especially when they do dumb shit like buy their own ultrasound machines or make sure their appearances on Oprah overshadow real news items. And then they don't understand why we can sympathize with them or feel their pain. Mainly because I don't make the same type of money you do AND (big and) your mug is everywhere I turn.

Contrast that with Tim Wakefield, the definition of a classy, all-around good person IMHO.

Hopefully you understand what I am saying.

This might be my favorite Soxaholix ever despite the fact that I didn't laugh once. Fantastic piece of work here.

Possession of the right to undertake an action does not automatically shield one from criticism re: that action.

Case in point: Fenway had the power to boo the guy...and people like Gammons and Torre have made a valid case that booing him was inexplicable and stupid.

That's wasn't "managing" anything, that's describing poor behavior for what it was.

//That's wasn't "managing" anything, that's describing poor behavior for what it was.//

Poor behavior?

Hmmm. Okay. Gotta go and have lunch now with a bunch of battery-throwing, Jeff Maier-loving, Giambi and Wells-booing friends of mine.


Fans will be fans. That's the way it is.

Chastizing folks for "poor" behavior is a waste of time, because the ones who booed don't think it's poor behavior.

Just as the people who vote against gay marriage most likely don't think of themselves as "bigots."

It's just a difference of belief systems.

In this case the majority have decided to boo Johnny Damon.

And BTW, get ready for Round 2 of this debate when Millar gets a standing O tonight.

"How could they give Millar such an ovation and boo Damon?It's historically unjust"
-Peter Gamons

"Apparently, wearing an Oriolesw uniform entitles you to an ovation no matter how much you contributed to a team"
-Joe Torre

"Foul ball"
-Jackie McMullin

//Possession of the right to undertake an action does not automatically shield one from criticism re: that action//

Exactly the point with Damon. He didn't have to take the extra $12 mil (and maybe most people would take the money), but most people would understand that taking the money would open them up to criticism. He had the right to take the money but doesn't have the right not to be criticized, no matter what he did before.

definition of fan

1)An ardent devotee; an enthusiast.

2)To stir (something) up by or as if by fanning: fanned the flames in the fireplace; a troublemaker who fanned resentment among the staff.

3) Or following the irrational nature of the strip fan - short for fanatic. Fanatics are not rational.

Criticism may even be a waste of time, (clearly these Boston people are too far gone) but it's not even remotely analogous to "managing" the "inalienable rights" of the vulgar crowd.

1) Fenway decides to boo.
2) This booing is criticized.

Let's see...uh-huh....check: First Amendment is working fine in both directions.

Jeffrey Maier deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom, BTW.


//Jeffrey Maier deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom, BTW.//

I have to admit, Jason, sometimes you make me laugh out loud.

OK. I see you're point.

We are looking at the word "manage" from different angles.

What I was referring too with Gammons and Torre is their wishing for another place, another time, when people at ballparks were more demure or in their eyes "better" than the boo birds of today.

But it's Friday afternoon and I'm totallly pooped so don't know if I did too good of a job explaining that just now.

I'm just tired of media members, athletes, celebrities and the rest telling us how we, the great unwashed masses, ought to behave or vote or what athletes we should cheer and why.

I'm lumping Gammons in the Angelie Jolie in with Johnny Damon in with Tom Brokaw etc and etc.

But, again, don't know if I'm getting that across very well and I'm too tired to care.

Is it happy hour yet?

H.B.; there are about three people left in my office right now, and the frig is full of Guinness.

Whatever should I do?

Bob,

You just better hope the one of the Kennedy clan doesn't get word of your stash. :)

At 5 PM, I'm downing some $1 Coronas at the BU Pub (it's happy hour and my student society has a deal for $1 drink tickets every other Friday).

At 7 PM, I'm going to watch the game at Fenway. My roommate scored some tickets from the Front Office for tonight's game.

It's going to be a great Cinco de Mayo, boy-o's.

Given that the right to voice your opinion does not exist in nature, yet also given the fact that opinions are like A-wholes (everyone has one [some have two] they say), then we can all conclude that both the fans in the Fens who booed Damon, and the arbiters of taste who offer this post-modern irony as if it were worth anything approaching the truth, that both are A-persons undeserving of future consideration.

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