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A little more 'Braveheart' and a little less 'Princess Bride,' please

Doug:
OK, I'm now officially bored with the Strang und Durm following the loss of Johnny Damon … I mean, c'mon people, suck it up, it's getting embarrassing.

 

Bill:
Absolutely. I mean this is the same fan base that weathahed such catastrophes as the loss of Cahlton Fisk, the loss of Wade Boggs, the loss of Rogah Clemens yet it's the loss of Johnny Damon, Johnny Fucking Damon that has some of us running fah covah and speaking of the Apocalypse?

 

Doug:
Seriously, at this rate I half expect this summah to find a bunch of Red Sox fans shivahring on a beach in Maine complaining the water's too cold to swim in. "Oooh. It's cold. My nuts will shrink. Boo hoo." Fercrissakes, people, are we not New Englandahs? Do we not thrive undah adverse conditions?

 

Bill:
Whatevah the fuck happened to the "Wait until next yeah" spirit? This is the same Red Sox Nation that went head held high for 86 seasons of "not good enough"? These are the same fans who rathah than being conquered aftah the 7th game of the 2003 ALCS entahed the 2004 season with an unshakable optimism?

 

Doug:
Now it's all "We don't have a centahfieldah. We don't have a shohtstop. It's only Decembah but it's so ovah. Fuck it. Bring on that good night because I'm frail and gentle and shit."

 

Bill:
Who knew that finally winning a World Series would turn us so soft.

 

Comments

Totally agree, hb. The Sox failed to re-sign Johnny Damon, not Willie Mays (although, does anyone know if he is available?). Sure, I liked him and the way he played and I hate that he went to the MFY. And I would rather have one guy (preferably named Theo) in charge of things. But, none of this is any reason to lose one's shit.

On the other hand, there's nothing else Sox-related to obsess about right now. If Damon were traded at the end of July, I think we'd be 80 or 90% over it by now. So, don't think about Damon -- read a book. Or go see the Chronicles of Narnia and write a long essay on why it's (not) as good as the Lord of the Rings movies. Or watch UConn basketball. Go for a run. Just breathe.

In my humble opinion, the all the girly men getting their undies in a bunch over the Temptation of The Damon is just an example of front running honks who equate RSN with the breadth and depth Michelle's hooters.

What is far more troubling to me is that the '06 team will have, at best, 6 of 8 NEW starting position players, as compared to '05. For those of you not scoring at home, the '05 team won 95 games with basically shit pitching. Transactional onanism appears to have the Front Office in thrall.

lc

What is far more troubling to me is that the '06 team will have, at best, 6 of 8 NEW starting position players, as compared to '05.

On the other hand, I'm kind of excited to see this new team take the field. As much as the 2004 Team will go down in history as "The Team" a part of me can't wait to shed all that and begin looking forward to the NEXT WS team.

A while back Gammons pointed out that teams that are the most successful typically have a 40% new roster from season to season.

The 2006 Sox team will be more like 60-70% new, but we've got to go through this pain at some point in order to renew.

All signs point to the end of the high offensive era for the Sox and the beginning of the strong defense/pitching era.

Should be fun.

Holy crap on a stick, Mr. B. musta got everything on his Christmas list and them some, because he is "Glass Half Full" guy today.

I defer to his greater wisdom. It's true, let's turn the page.

lc

Holy crap on a stick, Mr. B. musta got everything on his Christmas list and them some, because he is "Glass Half Full" guy today.

Not too far from the truth... Believe it or not, it's the solstice and the awareness that every day we are getting a few minutes more of daylight and inch ever closer to Spring that has me feeling more optimistic than usual.

Plus I went back and watched some of the 2004 ALCS/WS games on DVD and was reminded how lucky we all were to be part of that.

It's STILL a time of great rejoicing.

I mean this is the same fan base that weathahed such catastrophes as the loss of Cahlton Fisk, the loss of Wade Boggs, the loss of Rogah Clemens...

But it's not the same fan base, and I defy you to point to one fan with a pink hat or "Red Sox Nation" membership card who even knows who Wade Boggs was, who ever saw him play in a Sox uniform. I think the reaction of the fan base is split strictly along the lines of the die-hards and the johnny-come-lately's, with the former adopting the more circumspect "let's see what happens" approach, while the latter jumps off the rhetorical bridge because, well, for them, the Red Sox *began* with JD.

(Incidentally, anyone know where I can find a video of Damon shilling for the "official" Red Sox Nation cards? With any luck it'll be up on the Jumbotron when the Yankees arrive in May.)

I think the reaction of the fan base is split strictly along the lines of the die-hards and the johnny-come-lately's ...

Good point.

Also I think a lot of this is driven by:

1) WEEI whiner line types who would bitch about the flavor of ambrosia in heaven if given the chance

2) The media that thrives on conflict, bad news, nihilism

Regarding #2, it's almost as if they have to make "Red Sox in crisis" the story regardless of the facts on the ground.

Can't say that I'm not guilty of doing a lot of that throughout the year here on this site as well. (Indeed, I've stirred the Damon pot not to mention the "ohmigod Theo is gone!!" pot.)

Well, while I agree that most of the overt whining is coming from the Johnny-Come-Lately types (or should that be Johnny-Goes-Lately?), it's not entirely the case. My best friend Robert is hardly a newbee; he's been a Red Sox fan since birth. But even he's been pretty negative about the offseason. Even told me I shouldn't renew my 10-game ticket plan (like I'd ever lose those). But I believe H.B.'s right when he says that kind of thinking can be driven by the never-ending drone of the media and whiner line meat heads. You can't listen to the radio or watch TV without being constantly assaulted with the opinion that the Red Sox are finished for '06.

FYI - RSN membership gives you first dibs on most tix. tix can be difficult to purchase. i'd rather spend $15 on the membership than pay the scalpers or buy them on ebay....

or should that be Johnny-Goes-Lately?)

Heh, good one - maybe a lot of the fairweather fans will go with him, and I might be able to buy tickets for a game less than three months in advance.

I'm surprised to hear your diehard friend has lost a little heart about the offseason moves. We've had good and bad offseasons before and they rarely translate directly into good and bad seasons. It's a long grind to October '06, and there's lots of twists and turns along the way. If it were so easy to predict what will happen based on who goes where, well we wouldn't be fans, would we?

//I'm surprised to hear your diehard friend has lost a little heart about the offseason moves.//

Well, I think it's mainly because he (actually all of us) just fell so in love with the '04 team, it's hard to see any of them go. That's the difference between this off seasons and others in the past; that wonderful, incredible never-to-be-forgotten team is disappearing before our eyes. Not saying that it's a good thing or a bad thing, just a sad thing.

We've had good and bad offseasons before and they rarely translate directly into good and bad seasons.

Man, that is so true. How many years did we, on paper, have a really great team loaded with expectations only to fizzle?

In some ways, it's refreshing that all the media pudnuts are already writing off the Red Sox. I think we could all, player and fan alike, benefit from not having the enormous pressure of expectation hanging over us.

I'll confess that I don't think I really ever enjoyed the 2005 season precisely because of the weight of 2004.

Now that 2005 is gone and we didn't repeat etc, I dunno, it just feels more fun again.

Hell, in many ways, 2004 wasn't fun until the very end because there was always that "ohmigod we were 5 outs from the WS in 03 and now that we have Foulke and Schilling if we lose 3 in a row we all must kill ourselves" veil clouding every moment.

I'm looking forward to just getting back to the simple pleasure of baseball, the green of the grass, the crack of a bat, the smell of peanuts ...

I appreciate the optimism, but let's get real. It's not the loss of Damon that's the problem. It's the combined loss of Damon, Theo, Mueller, every 1B and even Cabrera -- Manny and Boomer wanting to go -- Schilling and Foulkie maybe never coming back -- and the rational belief that Youks and a couple of probably good minor league pitchers aren't really a "rebuilding plan." Put the 06 roster next to the 04 roster -- these guys would lose 9 out of 10 games 10 to 2, and they DON'T look that good for the future.

Who's at the fucking helm?

If Theo had stayed in place and Unlucky Larry had let him try to sign people up sooner, maybe Johnny would have stayed for less than $52 mil. But now people want to leave, and I don't blame them.

But now people want to leave, and I don't blame them.

I never blame people for leaving, one way or the other. It's a business.

As for the 2006 team sucking. Well, perhaps, but I think I'll wait until at least the All Star break before I start cutting my skin like a depressed goth chick making a "cry for help."

And if the Red Sox come in dead last, 28 games out behind Tampa Bay even, what are you going to do about it? Quit? Become a Yankees fan? Boycott?

Nope, we'll all still be here. Same as it ever was.

It's fun to bitch and moan, though, I do understand.

I'm just not that into it, well, at least not for today. Tomorrow never knows.


omg!!! Like h.b. is so freekin blissed out!!! Fer real! Let me have hit of that shyte.


I am half expecting the byline to change from Hart Brachen to Happily Bubbly.

Don't worry, Bill, Mike, Doug, Susan and the rest don't exactly share my own personal optimism. They never have.

I guess the bigger point I'm trying to make is we are tougher, or used to be, than this.

And, if the rumors are true, Theo and LL didn't agree because Theo wanted to sacrifice 06 for the future and LL didn't.

I'm still very much a disciple of Theo. I'm willing to accept a couple mediocre 3rd and 4th place seasons here and there for the sake of winning more pennants. (And I'm not even willing to grant, on Dec 28th, that we'll end up on Sept 30, sitting in 3rd or 4th place... there is still so much more time for things to shake.)

On this, though, I know that Red Sox Nation is not of one mind.

Seriously, I didn't expect the WS win in 2004. I was thinking more like 2008 and beyond, so that's where my head is.

"As for the 2006 team sucking. Well, perhaps, but I think I'll wait until at least the All Star break before I start cutting my skin like a depressed goth chick making a "cry for help."

ala Frankie from Real World San Diego...

Ugh, as a fan with brief tenure myself (a little over two years), can I lodge an objection to being lumped in with the Pink Hats? Unlike them, I've spent the last two years educating myself on baseball, realizing I'll never fully understand but trying to anyway, and yes, yes I do know who Wade Boggs and Carlton Fisk are. There is a huge difference between a bandwagoner and someone who just hasn't been a fan for all that long. It doesn't matter to me in terms of loyalty whether we win ninety games or seventy next year - if my newbie self stuck around after Aaron Boone, there is nothing that could chase me off.

I mean, I know you guys know that, but the idea of being thought of on the same level with the Pink Hats who are wailing, rending their clothing, and checking out the pink Yankee hats just makes me cringe. They ruin it for all the serious newer fans. Okay, I'm done whining now.

why do people have such a problem with girls wearing pink hats? news flash: girls like pink. is there a baseball knowledge test administered before admittance to Fenway now? fansnobs.

Mostly "What Cathryn said."

I'm rather new myself, but I liked the game before I liked the team and I am not disheartened by Johnny's departure (though I am somewhat by Mueller's).

I would say I only theoretically know who Fisk and Boggs are and I probably don't know enough about team history to satisfy the lifelong die-hard. I'd also say that supporting this team, for me, was a gut emotional reaction to the '03 postseason and that I watched more than 60 games in '04 and more than 100 in '05 (and the ones I couldn't watch, I kept track of on Gameday). I won't be slowing down this year. And I'd say that, for me, living and dying with the team on a daily and yearly basis defines being a fan. I won't be slowing down this year. I'm building my own version of Red Sox history day by day.

Get me a SS (Tejada is the only reasonable Manny rumored trade I've heard of...and I'd still miss Manny), a CF, and a LF if necessary (and maybe a more consistent, viable 1B) and then bring me April!

Ok, let's just say that 1. Pink hats are ok (in the same way that Green Hats are ok, since they don't really represent the team, but are fun); 2. Pink girlie shirts are not ok.

This of course is my opinion which is not worth $.02.


The point of "being lumped in with the Pink Hats" is a blunt measure of Recent Fandom, to be sure. It's a Big Tent in RSN; welcome aboard Cathryn.

Some of us remember when they sold beer in the stands at Fenway and Yawkey was lucky to get 7,000 people to a night game. This doesn't make us better fans, just suspicious of Recent Fandom.

lc

I was like 6 or 7 when Wade Boggs left Boston, does this disqualify me from being A True Fan? Since I don't really remember him playing? Heh.

Anyways, if Damon had gone to Toronto or some such team I don't think this would be half as big a deal. It stings when any of our guys go over to the pinstriped dark side, and more so when it's a 'name' player. People were bound to get all apocalyptic about it-- although the guy saying he'll be a Yankee fan for a year is taking it too far. Let us not sink into barbarism here, people.

Personally, I kind of like all the flavors of fandom, from casual to diehard, pink hat lovers and pink hat hater, young, old - well, I take that back. The people who go to games and then talk on their cell phones, I could do without.

das ist sturm und drang, ja?

It's not the length of your time as a fan so much as it's the level of devotion to your team. To paraphrase Hart (or perhaps more accurately, Susan) I loathe the casual fan bastards.

Those who care more about the image of the team, the appearance of 'doing something' than they do about actually winning games. Those who get so mad that Manny doesn't hustle to 1st base that they're willing to trade him for 50 cents on the dollar. Those who are so enamored of all the sweet nothings that Johnny whispered in their ears that they want to horrifically overpay for a center fielder who two-hops his throws to 2nd base.

//I appreciate the optimism, but let's get real. It's not the loss of Damon that's the problem. It's the combined loss of Damon, Theo, Mueller, every 1B and even Cabrera -- Manny and Boomer wanting to go -- Schilling and Foulkie maybe never coming back //

Exactly right - we've lost a lot of a team that we all loved. Its just hard and Johnny was a big part of it. Losing him to the yankees was a big slap in the face. The stupid FO should've counted that in in the equation - keep them from GETTING him.

I'm female and have been a Red Sox fan my whole life. I was extremely pissed about losing Fisk (my favorite player) and I am extremely pissed about losing Johnny (my favorite player). He made the game extra fun to watch, both on the field and off. You guys don't get it - so what. As for pink hat fans, they annoy me too, but again, so what - these may be the future fans when all the old fucks on this page are dead and gone. Who cares how they came to love baseball? I talk to women everyday who are new to baseball because of this Red Sox team. Once you start watching, you can fall in love with the game itself, but you have to start watching. Whatever brings them to it, I'm all for it. Losing Johnny, Bill, Cabrera, and even Kevin sucks. Losing Manny is going to suck. Losing Papi next year if this FO doesn't get it' head out of its ass, is gonna suck.

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